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    Okay, maybe next century for trial democracy in the middle east. Let's recruit some OGs like Saddam to get things back under control.

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    Let the locals handle it. The CIA put the Shah around Iran's neck and we are still paying for it!
    Go for adventure, take pix, but make certain to bring'em back alive!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Chugach001 View Post
      Okay, maybe next century for trial democracy in the middle east. Let's recruit some OGs like Saddam to get things back under control.
      At first I thought your location was southern Vermont, but now I understand it to be Soviet (Union).

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      • #4
        And remember, it is all Obama's fault.
        "Nobody ever got my name right." - Me

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        • #5
          So can I get a show of hands? ISIS sucks far more than Sadam sucked? I know, that's not saying much. Sadam sucked pretty hard. However, the road to hell is often paved with good intentions. Or at least fat checks to Haliburton.
          "Nobody ever got my name right." - Me

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RobRoyMeans View Post
            Let the locals handle it. The CIA put the Shah around Iran's neck and we are still paying for it!
            That's sure some blowback. Ain't enough ice in the world to handle that burn. However, that is also my favorite "what if" turning point in history.

            As for your first point, that is always the rub. America sure doesn't have a lot of faith in locals as shown throughout history. And in some cases the locals do get out of their depth. There is a fine line. Oh and we created the mess. So isn't it our problem? Not that I want it to be.
            "Nobody ever got my name right." - Me

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            • #7
              Oh for sure Sadam was better. Less people died, Iran was contained, he was a force of stability in the region. I've given up on these sh*t heads being able to handle democracy. Let Putin have 'em.

              Baaaab, damn you my secret is revealed.

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              • #8
                Jeesum....It ain't the West's fault.....the sand heads have been doin it since the 700's ad.....understand that....Obama...bush.....Clinton are just tools for not recognizing just what these camel thinking ding dongs are....They are on their predictable "Crusade", and unless we blast em into heaven or hell they will continue....It ain't America's fault....Get over it and get on with blasting em into oblivion....Gawd!!!!! TM

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                • #9
                  "Ancient" history is full of praise for strongman leaders who subjugated other peoples, e.g. Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar. I've always wondered why historians honor brutal leaders whose claim to fame is having the most powerful army that conquers the most people...maybe they were on to something.

                  ISIS is not our fault, though when folks denigrate Islam and say all the "sand heads" should be blasted to oblivion, it's not too hard to see what the reaction is going to be over there. ISIS is our problem when they attack the US, or US journalists.

                  No matter, you have to laugh when folks blame the President-at-the-time for third world conflicts, especially in the Middle East, where everyone is motivated by their perceptions of what happened one or two thousand years ago. (You have to laugh cause the alternative is too depressing.) Every administration since the real George W. has had its chance to deal with the problem (Geo had his Barbary Pirates) and none has been successful.
                  Last edited by Baaahb; 4 September 2014, 09:49 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Teleman View Post
                    Jeesum....It ain't the West's fault.....the sand heads have been doin it since the 700's ad.....understand that....Obama...bush.....Clinton are just tools for not recognizing just what these camel thinking ding dongs are....They are on their predictable "Crusade", and unless we blast em into heaven or hell they will continue....It ain't America's fault....Get over it and get on with blasting em into oblivion....Gawd!!!!! TM
                    Ah, the joy of waking up to the stench of TM's racism. I mean, why would any culture get bitter towards the west after decades of exploiting their resources, enduring puppet dictators imposed by the west, and terrorizing their families with airstrikes and drone attacks. So Teleman, who's fault is it then?

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                    • #11
                      700 years? I thought is was long before a merchant became a prophet..Empires rose and fell for thousands of years before that.

                      We may call it the Near East or Asia Minor, but getting into a land war there is still one of the classic blunders. I know its bloody minded, but stateless foes are hard to fight. When they have a state and fixed assets (infrastructure and such) they are much more vulnerable to attack and far easier to locate.
                      Go for adventure, take pix, but make certain to bring'em back alive!

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                      • #12
                        Happy to give you a surreptitious thrill in the early am crybar.....Rob...ACE after the Christian era....700 ace for the politically correct!!!!!! Unlike many on this site I have no problem sticking up for the US....You all live here and coddle and wring your hands about terrorists....have at it....Think back couple of thousand years or less.....or the hordes of Islamic warriors outside Vienna....You Jonny come lately would be long gone.....Do you really think appeasement works? Is it possible to be that naive? Just asking.... Oops or was it Graz? Oh well....TM
                        Last edited by Teleman; 4 September 2014, 10:28 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Teleman View Post
                          Happy to give you a surreptitious thrill in the early am crybar.....Rob...ACE after the Christian era....700 ace for the politically correct!!!!!! Unlike many on this site I have no problem sticking up for the US....You all live here and coddle and wring your hands about terrorists....have at it....Think back couple of thousand years or less.....or the hordes of Islamic warriors outside Vienna....You Jonny come lately would be long gone.....Do you really think appeasement works? Is it possible to be that naive? Just asking.... Oops or was it Graz? Oh well....TM
                          This is classic conservative BS. If a "liberal" defends Islam and all the innocent people in the Middle East, he is portrayed as defending terrorists (as well as being anti-US). Why don't these muddle heads also complain when someone criticizes the Westboro Baptist Church that he is dumping on all Christianity? And aren't Republicans totally anti-US because of their criticism of our President? Yes, no doubt such simple concepts give you fertile ground for pages of diatribe as you twist them to paint "liberals" as the problem. No doubt, you will claim that in criticizing Obama you are defending the US. One can argue ad infinitum, but a few facts are beyond dispute, outside the muddle head way of thinking.

                          The problem is that with a billion muslims in the world, the conservative agenda cannot distinguish the tiny minority who are militant, and more problematically, cannot see how -- in failing to do so -- they are a big part of the problem themselves.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Teleman View Post
                            Happy to give you a surreptitious thrill in the early am crybar.....Rob...ACE after the Christian era....700 ace for the politically correct!!!!!! Unlike many on this site I have no problem sticking up for the US....You all live here and coddle and wring your hands about terrorists....have at it....Think back couple of thousand years or less.....or the hordes of Islamic warriors outside Vienna....You Jonny come lately would be long gone.....Do you really think appeasement works? Is it possible to be that naive? Just asking.... Oops or was it Graz? Oh well....TM
                            So Teleracist, are you going to answer my question from the previous post: Who's fault is it? Oh that's right, you don't actually engage in conversation; you just spew uneducated, blindly patriotic nonsense.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Baaahb View Post
                              ISIS is not our fault,
                              Well, we did create a vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum. And our cold war onward policies in the mid-east and south-central Asia have both encouraged hatred as well as openly stoked religious fervor, which was useful when it was directed at the Soviets, not so much when it was directed back at us. Blowback. Yes, there was the Muslim Brotherhood before WWII. We inherited that when we threw down with the Colonial Powers after the war and did not insist on decolonization.
                              "Nobody ever got my name right." - Me

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