Telebry?

[twopass]

Who's using it with what binding/results?

[Carpe Canem]

- Hammerheads on Scott Punishers. Resort ski. No complaints. Releases like it should. Invisible otherwise.

- Hammerheads on Rossi Dirty Birds. Same bindings as the Scotts. I move them between two pairs of skis, each with Telebry release plates . A nice option offered by the Telebry design. Only one day on those skis so far and I have not figured them out yet, but the Tele plates were not at issue. I will say they felt secure and released properly on that set up. And I did catch a tip on that first day, on a previously damaged knee, and I just got up and skied the rest of the day. Released when it mattered. Points for the Telebry there.

- Hammerheads on ScottyBob Bobtails. No complaints. Releases like it should. Invisible otherwise.

- Also had Telebrys on Line Sir Francis Bacons with Axls. Wrong set-up for me, for a lot of reasons; but specific to your question? Too many pre-releases. Telebrys do not like wide skis. Causes lateral pre-releases. Note that all of the above are fairly narrow skis. You have to torque the release setting down pretty far to avoid lateral pre-releases, and then they don't release properly when they should. I'm now running Marker Barons on the Bacons. Moved the Axls and Telebrys to a BC 125, yet to try that set-up.

-Also had HHs on a BD Havoc. Tore up my knee on that set-up. Had them cranked too tight, even though the Havocs are only 88 mm underfoot. Reason I cranked them down was I skiing in heavy, soft mank, and was already spooked by pre-releases. More operator error than an equipment problem, though not entirely. I put Marker Tours on the Havocs now. Much better behaved that way. Moved the HHs to my Dirty Birds. The Rossi's are a little softer in the tail than the BDs.

I also ride 7TMs. A much more predictable release. They do not seem affected by ski width.

Bottom line. Telebrys have worked fine for me on HHs with narrow skis, as long as I don't set the release too tight. They pre-release on fatter skis unless you crank them down, and then you begin defeating the purpose of having a releasable binding. They do release in a lot of different directions, for example when I grabbed a tip on a forward fall and they just released. Of course, the main attraction is that they will take almost any Tele binding out there.

The 7TMs release in fewer directions, but the release mechanism is highly predictable, and they don't mind a fat ski. There are other comparisons you can make with whatever binding you want to put on the Telebrys, (I suppose mostly weight & how active) but I have always found them active enough and light enough, and I think they are a good overall design. YMMV

[twopass]

- Too many pre-releases. Telebrys do not like wide skis. Causes lateral pre-releases. Note that all of the above are fairly narrow skis.

Uhhhhhhh, how about 100mm or under, say 94mm....is that wide, or narrow?

I'm familiar with the 7tms have the powers but was thinking moare power with the Vice but wanted to add releasable.

[QuiverQueen]

I have Telebry plates on three sets of skis: one under an Atomic RTM 86 with BombShells (86 mm underfoot), a Volkl Aura with a HammerHead (96 mm at ski waist) and one under a Rossi S7W's with HammerHead (105 cm waist). I have never released out of any of these, but a friend skiing one of them did. I have also never felt like release was required, as I ski fairly conservatively. I went with Telebry because at the time there was no NTN boot small enough and 7tm's don't fit properly on small boots. I ski all my HammerHeads on position 4 and honestly don't really notice any difference between HammerHeads on Telebrys or NTN/s, and after the first few turns I forget what's on my feet.

Am committed to NTN from here on out, although I remain grateful to Bryce Wheeler and his innovation.

[Carpe Canem]

IMHO, the skinnier the fewer pre-releases. And yes, your skills and level of aggressiveness will influence your results. Harder & faster (or clumsier & more awkward) will generate more pre-releases... and I suppose more need for a releasable binding.

My somewhat arbitrary cut off for my quiver is 90 mm underfoot. Seems OK about there. But of course that's my personal and empirical standard. No technical analysis there, just that's how they feel to me.

Everything bigger and I am on 7TM. I guess 94 is a gray zone by my standards, but QQ says she feels good at 105 and on the same binding (I ski them at position 5). Your weight should matter too. I was once in the 180s (Ht 5'8") and saw more pre-releases than than I do now - with weight in the 160s. The experiment continues.

[twopass]

I was once in the 180s (Ht 5'8") now - with weight in the 160s. .

How'd you do that?

Thanks QQ

[Carpe Canem]

Fewer carbs, esp the "white" carbs like bread, potatoes and rice. Lots of meals of protein combined with either raw fruits or with vegetables (cooked or not) usually just one or the other. Ex. breakfast of smoked salmon and a slice of pineapple. Dinner of broiled meat and sauteed veggies, or just steamed if I am really feeling the willpower. Just one protein per meal. No it is not the Atkins diet. It's mostly about effective and complete digestion, tho limiting carbs definitely helps. Closer to the early non-vegan Fit For Life approach. Carbs are usually stand alone meals, not mixed with proteins, so very few "steak and potatoes" meals. Ex, a dense multi-grain muffin for breakfast is a perfectly fine carb based meal.

I mostly cut out cream and sugar with coffee; an Americano rather than a Latte. No late night snacks. Be willing to feel a little hungry sometimes. Ex. It's OK to forgo a late afternoon snack and feel a little piqued before dinner. A little hunger burns the reserve fats. It usually passes anyway. The more raw the better. I don't count most raw fruits as carbs, even though they really are. Raw takes more energy to digest and fruits are healthy enough that you can't really call an apple, orange or peach part of a "bad" diet. I use them as sweets a lot. Usually better for you than an eclair. I do allow myself dairy as I like good cheeses too much. I use that as the protien sometimes, say a piece of cheese and an apple for breakfast.

Instead of soda to drink I mix some OJ and maybe grapefruit, or cherry, or cranberry, or whatever... maybe several juices, into a liter bottle filled with ice. Make it about 1/2 way full and then finish it off with sparkling water, maybe even something flavored like lime Perrier, though for me more likely a generic knock-off. Don't drink your calories. I take that to work with my lunch. Lotsa salads with meats for lunches. Make them interesting. Experiment with those funny vegetables you never buy.

Watch out for "vegetables" that are really starches, Ex. corn, peas, most root vegetables. Beans are protiens and starches together in one package. If one day you are craving steak, and potatoes, or some other such protein & starch combo, see if you can have one in one meal, and the other in another meal. Ex. Baked potato with a raw tomato for lunch. Steak with green beans for dinner.

The most important rule of all. NOTHING IS FORBIDDEN. I have lost weight before (ex. Fit For Life) but eventually fell off the wagon because I just missed certain foods too much. Once I grasped the forbidden fruit... or doughnut... the wheels would come off. Now I am allowed to have a little of everything, once in a while. So if I have been good all week and I just gotta have the surf and turf with baked potato at my favorite restaurant (or more realistically for me: pizza with Italian sausage, onion & mushrooms) I can have it. Just not every night. And no stringing together a week's worth of different dietary exceptions and then saying; "Well I only had pizza once this week, and pulled pork once this week, and an ice cream sundae once this week" & etc. Or turn it around and I was bad... someone brought donuts to work and I had two, be sure that's the last junk food for a while.

I never miss any food because I can have anything, just not everything all the time. This way, I can't view any meal as a failure. If I indulge too much (like say over the holidays) I just get back on the horse that threw me and work it back to where I want it. Doing that right now, and it is working. One day at a time... And yes, I weigh myself every morning. A little here and a little there and after a while it really starts to add up (subtract down?) And if I find myself loosing (gaining?) ground, I know that right away too, and can adjust. I really do think letting yourself feel hungry once in a while is good. I don't fast. But you ain't gonna starve if you wait a couple hours past your first hunger pangs to eat your next meal.

Mostly though, pick a healthy low-fat diet, decide, and do it. Don't give up if you mess up one day.

[Nurse Ben]

They broke springs nearly every time they released, they do work, but replacing springs requires removing the plates from the skis. They may have improved in the past 5 years, it's hard to know. They make for a very heavy binding. I would use ntn or tts before I would buy into telebry. Bryce is a great guy BTW.

[Carpe Canem]

Broke springs? Never did that to me, but there have been a lot of iterations of the Telebreys over the years. Think that problem was a while back and has been addressed. I have several pair and they have all released for me w/o breaking. Bryce has new springs available at reasonable prices. Can't recall how much exactly. YMMV, but I think that problem is solved. The system is well designed, if not perfect i.e. my difficulties with pre-releases w/ wide skis. Bryce never stops upgrading the design & materials.

Not that they are the only option. 7TMs are very reliable, and you can get them with step-in and brakes, but not so active a binding. Not real loose, but not too stiff.

Lots of people like the integrated NTN system. Never been on a pair so can't vouch for them. May be a reasonable investment if you are ready for new boots. Telebry is money for bindings plus a not inexpensive release plate, but you get to keep your boots.

[Nurse Ben]

in theory Trlebry has about the best release you can ask for, 360 degrees not really affected by ice, huge weight penalty, it's a shame it can't be integrated into a binding system. I never had any problem getting back in. The springs always broke at the tangs at the far ends. I went to a different binding system, but if the springs are not breaking now, then it might be worth trying
, they do have limitations so pre release with wide skis is a possibility as is setting the release higher for bigger skiers and bigger boots. It is nice to swap bindings, I had three sets of bases.

Honestly, now that we have ntn and Tts, buying into telebry is like buying a bunch of hammerheads, they work fine, but the industry has moved on. You can get ntn/tts boots for $500.

I just looked at Bryce's revisions, still three holes, no big changes and, so perhaps he got the springs worked out. They are not as expensive as I would have thought, he's certainly not making money on them. Bryce has to be well into his seventies now, I wonder who'll carry on the tradition...

[Carpe Canem]

Ben. Bryce is in his mid-80's! Told me his age a few years back. It's a labor of love. I can't imagine it will outlive him. I'm proud to have a few pair.

[Ziggy]

I believe Bryce had a son involved at one stage.

The limitations of 7TM's release directions cost me an ACL so Safeouts were the next stop on the trip and they have worked fine over several years with HHs or Axls or Switchbacks. I do get some prem releases but that's the price that has to be paid with conservative settings. The only problem that's arisen is that the top loop on one brake wire can miss the metal disc on the top plate on reassembly and slip into the gap. Bryce sent out a new wire FoC and that's reduced but not eliminated the problem. He sent HH spring protector plates free as well. Pretty good service.

The spring works can do with a squirt of WD-40 from time to time BTW.

[VinylTelemarker]

I enjoyed skiing bindings mounted to Telebry for a few years. No pre-releases on wide ski ScottyBob Fat Bastards. I ski fairly conservatively, so once I had them dialled in, I had few if any releases. Had Voile VPIIs, Linkens and Axls mounted on them. With the Linkens the combination of step-in, release and brakes was very cool. Went for that combination after I hurt myself diving after a runaway ski.

Bryce certainly adapted the design to cope with wide skis a few years ago and asked me for my feedback on my wide-ski experience when I purchased. I set the release to the recommended setting and never had a pre-release or breakage.

Way more elegant than the Voile release plate, which I found very difficult to remount after a release one time.

Telebry makes it super easy to swap bindings over, or just take the bindings off the skis for maintenance or adjustment. Used to freak a few people out with my "broken" bindings.

Decided I could live without them when I bought some new skis and added up all the weight. Have never liked the lack of release in an avalanche scenario and have recently gone to NTN.

My Telebry sitting in the garage unused, so happy to pass them on to loving home if anyone wants them.

[Ziggy]

I think it was in '05 that the springs were changed.

And yeah an extra 450 grams per side isn't welcome esp when you're running Axls.

[Fishscales]

Hello all!

Are the Telebry release plates something I can install myself, or would I be advised to take them to a ski shop. I'm a beginner using the 3-pin voile binding without cable. From what I read here these release plates may be the ticket for use with my 75mm boots. I've included a pic of my current binding mounting. Any comments will be appreciated! Thank you.