OK, first of all I lifted this vid from Lou Dawson and Wild Snow. My bad... However, it is a good short tutorial on skinning tips and fundimentals. So, as you become addicted to skiing powder all the time you will quickly learn that the only way to do this is to hike for it.
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And our host has several blog posts on this matter: http://www.earnyourturns.com/categor...ique/skinning/
There was one that I thought was also from the Dosin8tr, but I cannot find it -- it was about modestly snapping your outside foot forward and then back when making sharp turns on the skin track. It was helpful.
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Originally posted by Quadzilla View PostOK, first of all I lifted this vid from Lou Dawson and Wild Snow. My bad... However, it is a good short tutorial on skinning tips and fundimentals. So, as you become addicted to skiing powder all the time you will quickly learn that the only way to do this is to hike for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmzA...layer_embedded
Seems like an nice guy ..Cool coat, just like my new one..Aaron liked my old coat better..
I wonder if AaronWright is now Aaron77 ? Well, anyways, happy skinning!
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Originally posted by dschane View PostAnd our host has several blog posts on this matter: http://www.earnyourturns.com/categor...ique/skinning/
There was one that I thought was also from the Dosin8tr, but I cannot find it -- it was about modestly snapping your outside foot forward and then back when making sharp turns on the skin track. It was helpful.
Or this: Kick Turns on Steep Terrain
From my (mis)understanding of your words, neither. I think you're refering to what I call a pivot kick-turn. Do advise and I'll try to find 'er for easy reference. Or maybe I need to finish editing something I referenced in one of those articles.
ain't no turn like tele!
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Originally posted by Dostie View PostNot sure if this was what you're referring to: Step-Down Kick Turn (I don't think so)
Or this: Kick Turns on Steep Terrain
From my (mis)understanding of your words, neither. I think you're refering to what I call a pivot kick-turn. Do advise and I'll try to find 'er for easy reference. Or maybe I need to finish editing something I referenced in one of those articles.Last edited by dschane; 10 September 2013, 11:07 PM.
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I find it useful when making step kick turns to slide the tail of the first-pivot-ski under the other ski. This is much easier when you do not have twin tip skis, so I prefer skis with flat tails. Having tail attachments on your skins is also handy when doing this.
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steep/tight kick turns, imo, mean that the skinner is too steep and should've been put in differently in some way, shape, or form. But lets face it, if there was a more efficient way, someone would have found it. On this hill steep/tight kick turns is still the best way up. I'll keep looking though, that third lap is getting mighty tough.
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Originally posted by meadowskipper View Poststeep/tight kick turns, imo, mean that the skinner is too steep and should've been put in differently in some way, shape, or form. taken a different route/approach.
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Originally posted by dewam View Poststeep/tight kick turns, imo, mean that the skinner is too steep and should've been put in differently in some way, shape, or form. But lets face it, if there was a more efficient way, someone would have found it. On this hill steep/tight kick turns is still the best way up. I'll keep looking though, that third lap is getting mighty tough.
If done correctly, a tight switchback results from a low-angle skin track. This requires more skill/technique to pull off, but less energy. The answer, as I have tried to convince the stubborn is to stop skinning so steeply and learn some uphill techniques to make the climb more efficient - especially if you're doing multiple laps. The only way I know to convince someone of this FACT is through experience, and with a coach (me) who relentlessly whips those who climb too steeply, and patiently instructs in the nuances of a tight switchback (snap kick-turn). Until then, I'll simply quote Arnold "hear me now and believe me later."
Okay, bring on the debaters. You might think you're more of a man if you can skin straight up, but I know that in the long run (I'm talking decades of skinning, or tens-of-thousands of vert-per-day) the low angle track is best. Even Andrew McLean (AT Apostle) is on record that for efficiency, around 15 degrees is optimal.
ain't no turn like tele!
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Originally posted by meadowskipper View Poststeep/tight kick turns, imo, mean that the skinner is too steep and should've been put in differently in some way, shape, or form. taken a different route/approach.
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Originally posted by Dostie View PostOkay, bring on the debaters. You might think you're more of a man if you can skin straight up, but I know that in the long run (I'm talking decades of skinning, or tens-of-thousands of vert-per-day) the low angle track is best. Even Andrew McLean (AT Apostle) is on record that for efficiency, around 15 degrees is optimal.
But, if we must, then I think the optimal angle has a lot to do with the skinner's physical condition and skill, the terrain and snow, and the amount of vertical to be covered. I've never measured the angle of tracks, but I like to take a track that's as steep as I can comfortably go, which is pretty subjective.
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Originally posted by televisionary View PostI think that would be out of sequence for a new discussion board like this. Tradition calls for a good AT vs. tele smack-down before we get into it over this topic.
But, if we must, then I think the optimal angle has a lot to do with the skinner's physical condition and skill, the terrain and snow, and the amount of vertical to be covered. I've never measured the angle of tracks, but I like to take a track that's as steep as I can comfortably go, which is pretty subjective.
I am a bigger fan of lower angle skin tracks just because I don't have to focus on regulating my pace so much and I can just enjoy the hike up more, and have some legs and lungs left for the fun part...the fall line is your friend.... resistance is futile
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Originally posted by Dostie View Postap kick-turn). (I'm talking decades of skinning, or tens-of-thousands of vert-per-day)
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Re optimal track steepness, my pet peeve is this. When breaking trail on a pair of BD Gigawatts or DPS Lotus with wall-to-wall skins, you get traction aplenty. So, trail breakers tend to put in really steep tracks. But, once the track gets set in and iced over a bit, the reduction in traction makes skinning a line that steep hard. Especially if the followers are not on massive skis and wall-to-wall skins. So, when breaking trail, it is best to go a bit less steep than you can.
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