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  • #46
    Ascutney delivered the goods today...

    ... fine New England topography with suitable mix of rock and root...😊

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Todd Eastman View Post
      Ascutney delivered the goods today...

      ... fine New England topography with suitable mix of rock and root...😊
      Love that place. I wish it wasn't an hour away.

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      • #48
        Took to the gravel again on Saturday for a 46 mile, 4200' elevation ride with some friends. I'm slow as molasses on the uphills, but as I've said for years...fat guys rule the downhill!

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        • #49
          @Willy - are you getting a gravel bike?

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          • #50
            "@Willy - are you getting a gravel bike?"

            Well, why should he...

            ... all the roads in NYS are paved...😊

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            • #51
              See his earlier post about riding Leadville qualifier on his full suspension man bike.

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              • #52
                These "thrill bikers' must be stopped!

                https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06...en-wilderness/

                lol...he makes a good argument.
                Last edited by twopass; 24th June 2019, 11:28 PM.
                “Taking away someone’s opinion is no different than sewing a man’s butthole shut.”

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by twopass View Post
                  These "thrill bikers' must be stopped!

                  https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06...en-wilderness/

                  lol...he makes a good argument.
                  That article is so full of hyperbole and assumption without any evidence that it's difficult to take any of it seriously.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Grant View Post

                    That article is so full of hyperbole and assumption without any evidence that it's difficult to take any of it seriously.
                    For sure, lots of support from hunters and fisherman. Please, big game hunter with big 4x4, toy hauler full of high powered ATV's and then complain that mountain bikers are scaring away game. Fisherman? Well, I think if you look at the Tahoe Flume Trail which is maybe the most popular and well used multi use trail in the country and has been for decades is in better shape now than thirty years ago. Now sure, keep bikes out of wilderness but don't build buffed out "hiking trails" and say don't ride them. Lastly, I would say that the trails built by Mt. bike clubs and the like have benefited hikers as it has created more trails for them to hike and spread out the traffic as opposed to a few multi use trails crowded by everyone.

                    WTBS, there is a small place for extreme trails but they need to be a limit...............
                    "Just say no to groomed snow"

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Grant View Post

                      That article is so full of hyperbole and assumption without any evidence that it's difficult to take any of it seriously.
                      He cites some serious studies, but because you don't like the message, it "hyperbole". Right....

                      “New mountain bike [trail] construction will likely result in permanent habitat fragmentation. Habitat fragmentation impedes the movement of wildlife across landscapes. Looped trails may create islands of habitat that may be avoided entirely by wildlife.”
                      Last edited by twopass; 25th June 2019, 11:56 AM.
                      “Taking away someone’s opinion is no different than sewing a man’s butthole shut.”

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by twopass View Post

                        He cites some serious studies, but because you don't like the message, it "hyperbole". Right....
                        You mean like conflating ORVs with mountain bikes?

                        From the article -
                        "For instance, a study in Georgia documented that of the 59 routes surveyed in the Chattahoochee NF, illegal ORV use occurred on 67 %, including designated wilderness and trails restricted to pedestrians."

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                        • #57
                          As a mountain biker for some 35+ years now I can tell you the evolved mentality of mtn. bikers I see today is not far off from the worst perceptions the public has of ORV users.

                          So yeah, imo lumping those user groups together doesn't fly in the face of reality one itty bitty little bit, sunny jim.

                          Now then, why don't you go do some resoration penance for the outlaw trails you built/rode in the White Mountain National Forest?

                          “Taking away someone’s opinion is no different than sewing a man’s butthole shut.”

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by twopass View Post
                            Now then, why don't you go do some resoration penance for the outlaw trails you built/rode in the Green Mountain National Forest?
                            FIFY

                            FWIW - the GMNF has finally approved most of the ski trails we had been poaching/repairing/upgrading/maintaining for mountain bike riding in my little corner of the national forest. These trails would have all but been lost to posterity but for the local MTB community, as the average nordic backcountry skier is aging out of carrying a lopper or saw into the woods on an afternoon to keep up with the amount of blowdowns, clogged culverts, etc. that happen every year/day/month.

                            It's very obvious that that the NFS can't keep up and NEED volunteers to help with trails. There are not enough hiker volunteers to do it alone so the author of the article should be careful what he wishes for.

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                            • #59
                              Mountain bikes do impact trails and habitat.
                              • Some landscapes are less impacted from mountain biking than others.
                              • Some land managers have better resources and community involvement to offset those impacts.
                              • Bike trails need more maintenance than hiking trails.
                              • Mixing user groups on popular trails raises hackles.
                              • Popular trail destinations require careful management.
                              • Managing land for habitat and habitat connectivity may severely restrict both bike and foot access.
                              • If using hiking trails, mountain bikers should avoid straightening out sections of the trail to avoid obstacles.
                              The author fails in his attack on the motives of other trail users.
                              • Citing "thrill" as bad thing, is a bad thing...
                              • Is a bird watcher more pure than a trail runner?
                              • Increasing use of Wilderness and wild areas by athletic people will politically require more flexibility by land managers to address the changed use patterns.
                              • Biking and trail running share the "thrill" of moving through a landscape with skill and are fun!

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                              • #60
                                OMG, 2Pass again with a counterpunch article. Do you EVER stick your head out of your bubble long enough to see what other people are talking about? You are so locked down and locked in to certain patterns of thinking and sources of information that you've become what I'll bet you once professed to despise: A rigid, dogmatist flatly refusing to even acknowledge new realities and sensibilities. The fact that you're on the wrong side of this debate shouldn't surprise me but it somehow still does. I can't believe that in today's age we're still arguing about MTBs in wild spaces. While obviously there are some areas that shouldn't be touched, this debate regarding general access and use, and the people and organizations that continue to make it necessary, are tiresome. You should just come clean about your ultimate objective which appears to align with Earth First and some of the other more ineffective, polarizing and frankly counterproductive environmental groups.
                                Last edited by bastardsonoffhw; 27th June 2019, 09:09 AM.

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