I am considering the purchase of an airbag, I was primarily concerned with the extra weight over a standard day pack (2.5 lbs more ??) but having looked online I have read some comments that the use of an airbag with a standard telemark setup is negated by the lack of release function on the binding, skis anchor and thus no point in buying the airbag as you'd be pulled under anyway. I always remove the leashes in tricky terrain and assume a rough fall would still remove the skis but would appreciate hearing from someone who knows their stuff. Cheers.
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Originally posted by Niseko View PostI am considering the purchase of an airbag, I was primarily concerned with the extra weight over a standard day pack (2.5 lbs more ??) but having looked online I have read some comments that the use of an airbag with a standard telemark setup is negated by the lack of release function on the binding, skis anchor and thus no point in buying the airbag as you'd be pulled under anyway. I always remove the leashes in tricky terrain and assume a rough fall would still remove the skis but would appreciate hearing from someone who knows their stuff. Cheers."Just say no to groomed snow"
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That doesn't sound like much fun…. avoiding telemarking avalanche terrain just because you have non-releasables. Why leave all that stable powder for AT skiers? Now avoiding slopes that might slide because of one's proper assessment, etc.., well that's a different thing and has nothing to do with what's on your feet, but what's between your ears. What about snowshoers? Stay away completely? Certainly if I make a royal boo-boo and get clobbered, well games over with this foot trap I use. So be careful, ski in control, and ski what you want. This is an old debate from as far back as tele binding go and I can certainly comprehend the safety issue with non-releasable binding on a skier in an avalanche. There is ample data to show skiers with releasable occasionally are injured in a crash or die with their skis on in avalanche debris.
I've never given my non-releasable 01's much thought as a factor when evaluating avalanche terrain.
Getting an airbag next year. Probably the electric airbag. It's a no-brainer. Blew my 2014 safety gear budget though on a Pieps Pro for this year and have been using it the last two days. More on that later.
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Telemark bindings are not the only bindings that don't release in an avalanche. Snowboard strap bindings aren't exactly releasable. Alpine bindings might, but not reliably, hence the added importance of an airbag to give the opportunity to be closer to or on the surface when it comes to a stop. With skis that don't release and no airbag the chances of being on top when it stops are slim indeed. Aside from not getting caught, yes, the best option would be skis that ejected and an airbag that inflated. If you can't have both, at least get one.
ain't no turn like tele!
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Originally posted by Niseko View Postthus no point in buying the airbag as you'd be pulled under anyway.
Originally posted by Dostie View Postthe best option would be skis that ejected and an airbag that inflated. If you can't have both, at least get one.
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Tele skis might get ripped off- and that might even be more likely to if you have airbag force pulling you up. And even if not it would help, and there is no guranteee that even AT bindings will release (and as mentioned snowboards are the least releasable and airbag packs have helped snowboarders).
So yes get an airbag even with non-release teles!Reluctant enthusiast, part-time crusader, half-hearted fanatic
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Originally posted by BillyFromTheHills View PostOr tap your heels together and repeat 3 times: "There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home...."
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Originally posted by teledance View PostAirbags don't prevent you from getting wrapped around a tree, as proven in UT. Your brain is still the best safety equipment in avy terrain.
BillyFromTheHills' reply was just plain stupid.
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Originally posted by televisionary View PostI'm sure that the OP found your reply super-helpful.
BillyFromTheHills' reply was just plain stupid.
I just find it funny that someone might think that binding choice would magically make them safer in a slide, or would over-think it to the point of absurdity. Get it?Yay!...(Drool)
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