Help me put on some pants

[Baaahb]

I need a new pair of ski pants. I have two pairs that I love but they are both beat to crap and, of course, neither is produced anymore. I am looking to replace them. They both have a very light but warm flexible fabric, decently waterproof and windproof, breathable..they are schoeller or soft shell fabric, no lining, and no built-in gaiter. One pair is the Columbia titanium pant but it is no longer made and their new product line is as confusing as only a marketing guy could make it...omni-tech, omni-dry, omni-heat, BS, BS, BS and none seem to fill the bill. The titanium is/was an awesome pant. The other pair I need to replace is the North Face Apex pant, which is a bit lighter and has proven less durable, and now seems to be made only with a built in gaiter. The prices of these sorts of pants also seems to have doubled in a few years. The color black is preferred.

Suggestions?

thanks

[Todd Eastman]

Waxed Carharts...

... they can be gotten in black.

[Baaahb]

sounds heavy

[MNpin]

LL Bean has a pant called the Knife Edge, sounds like just what you are looking for. I have been using pants that fit your description that came from REI, the Bean pants are tailored better, have 5 zip pockets, sturdier material,come only in black and are half the price at $79. I love em.

[James]

My son has pretty much exactly what you want. Not sure what you mean by lining but they say they have a "brushed interior" so?? I think they are the Patagonia alpine guide pants but I will double check. He uses them for winter climbing and BC skiing. I think they are to light and I like gaiters but that was not your question.

[James]

Yep he has the Alpine Guide. The Mixed Guide is a little heavier with vents and larger cargo pockets. I would check their website. They give a good description of the pants with weights and materials and there are 13 or more reviews to look at for each one.

FWIW the Alpine Guide fabric feels just like Schoeler to me. I can't rally make sense of most of these fabrics anymore by name.

[tahoebc]

Can't say enough good things about these, I love em

OR TrailBreaker

http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12505520&emssrcid=PPC%3AgooPLAs%3A22842674354brandOutdoor_Research&utm_source=gooPLAs&utm_campaign=Product+Listing+Ads+-+Out+of+Trade&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CNG79OTDsLwCFYNi7Aodz1kAqw

[jibmaster]

These worked great for me this past month.

http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/product_Arcteryx-Men-s-Beta-AR-Pant_10110147_10208_10000001_-1_

Very warm and loose fitting/flexible fabric (not baggy).

[Dostie]

Can't say enough good things about these, I love em: OR TrailBreaker
http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp...FYNi7Aodz1kAqw

And for the honorable Baaahb's convenience - a review on EYT too.

[Baaahb]

Can't say enough good things about these, I love em

but...but...but...

even if they do come with those silly gaitors?

[aqua toque]

...and now seems to be made only with a built in gaiter.

Uhhh...that's kind of an important feature for those who ski where genital spindrift is an issue.

[Grant]

Uhhh...that's kind of an important feature for those who ski where genital spindrift is an issue.

I believe I saw a commercial during the Superbowl for an ointment to aide sufferers of genital spindrift.

[Grant]

LL Bean has a pant called the Knife Edge, sounds like just what you are looking for. I have been using pants that fit your description that came from REI, the Bean pants are tailored better, have 5 zip pockets, sturdier material,come only in black and are half the price at $79. I love em.

Could these do for active XC skiing? I'm looking to replace my Swix Universal pants that are falling apart but would like something I don't look quite so nordorkie in. They seem to fit a little too much like jeans for active classic skiing. I don't need to hear swish, swish, swish with every kick.

[!ski]

Gaiter might make the pants warmer - though most pants are sealed at the top and keep the warm air from escaping, gaiter might keep the warm air from escaping out the bottom each time you drop a knee.

(Like a jacket, or shirt, nice tight seal at the neck. Recently dawned on me that a pack belt functions as a nice internal jacket skirt/elastic.)

I have a pair of LL Bean ski pants - probably a freak one-time good deal good product.

Problem with asking this question - is mostly you will get stale information with maybe one nugget.

For $50 in my paypal account I will do an "e-commerce" search

[thornton]

Yep he has the Alpine Guide. The Mixed Guide is a little heavier with vents and larger cargo pockets. I would check their website. They give a good description of the pants with weights and materials and there are 13 or more reviews to look at for each one.

FWIW the Alpine Guide fabric feels just like Schoeler to me. I can't rally make sense of most of these fabrics anymore by name.

mixed guide currently on sale, http://dreammail.edgesuite.net/patag...mh=dm23.165119