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  • YAWSSIBT: Quiver of One, 90's underfoot

    Yet another what ski should I buy thread.

    I posted this at TGR, but some of you aren't there, and may have a useful opinion or two. So here goes.

    Looking for a quiver of one in the 90s underfoot range as the title says. A ski for resort, backcountry, hard pack, powder, and everything. I have a "quiver of one" that is fatter, so this is my "quiver of one" when I don't want the fatter ski, so it will get less pow days and more hard groomers, but I still need it to perform in the trees and in the powder (backcountry and otherwise). Just starting to explore the market for a new ski, and money is really tight, so suggestions for late model used is fine. I'll likely assemble a list of skis to consider and then wait till the right opportunity aligns with the right amount of money in the bank acct.

    Me: ~180 lbs, ski about 50/50 Colorado resorts and bc, tele full time (or, rather, the skis will be mounted NTN, I make about 50% alpine turns), at the resorts I ski everything from steeps to trees to bumps to groomers. I used to charge hard (or at least harder), but these days I don't get out as much and don't have the legs I used to, so need a ski that is more forgiving. I may have a few runs of charging in me, and then I flail.

    Current skis:
    Folsom Givers, 181cm, 110 underfoot. These are my fatter quiver of one.
    AK King Salmons, 180cm, 94 underfoot. These are my current narrower ski, too stiff for me, and with no rocker not very good in the backcountry.

    I'm honest with myself, I'm a good skier and used to be pretty hardcore, but that was when I was skiing 50-60 days a year, most of them full days skiing hard terrain, traveling to go skiing at Jackson/Crested Butte/etc. Now I'm getting 20 days if I'm lucky, I don't have the legs for bell to bell or even full time tele turns, and my shorter day is often a mix of hard terrain and not-so-hard terrain.

    I wouldn't be happy on a noodle, because I do still charge in short bursts, but I don't want to be on a ski that is only happy going mach looney with significant leg strength applied. I need something that is soft enough to be fun going slow in tight trees or on bumps (yes, I'm one of those weirdos who likes bumps, though by no means am I looking for a good bump ski), and also fun going reasonably fast on a groomer. And still handles powder and mank well. So I don't want the super stiff charger, I want something to be fun even when my legs are dead tired and something that does not need to be forcefully driven at all times.

    Rossi S3 seems like a possibility? Moment Tahoe? Other options? Questions?

  • #2
    "quiver of one" - not sure it means what you think it means - sorry that is all I have to offer - hope you find the right ski to add to your quiver.

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    • #3
      K2 Sideshow !?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by webby View Post
        "quiver of one" - not sure it means what you think it means - sorry that is all I have to offer - hope you find the right ski to add to your quiver.


        Fair enough. What I mean is that I don't have a dedicated "soft snow ski" and need this ski to be my "hard snow ski"; I need this ski to function as if it was a quiver of one, because I will use it in all conditions.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Danno View Post
          AK King Salmons, 180cm, 94 underfoot. These are my current narrower ski, too stiff for me, and with no rocker not very good in the backcountry.
          Vector in 180 (not BC)? 96mm underfoot.
          Soccer is a game of feet. Hockey is a game of inches.

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          • #6
            Voile Vector or Praxis Yeti.

            I've also heard/read good things about Movement Shift and 0N3P Tychoon (tour).

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            • #7
              I skied the Voile Vector last year (not the Vector BC). Even with a 'skinny' 94, I felt it outperformed non-rockered Voile Insane's with 107 underfoot. It's a quiver of one for me, but then again, I spent exactly zero days skiing in-bounds last year. It's probably a little too soft for hardpack, bumps, ice. It is also a very lightweight ski, and not at all built like a tank. Even with next to no resort skiing, and being pretty light on my skis, the Insanes were clearly not the most robust and durable thing out there. While there are no imminent signs of catastrophic failure on the Vectors, the construction privileges weight and flex/ski characteristics over durability. In my opinion.

              The DPS Wailer 99 hybrid (or Pure, maybe) may just be what you're looking for though.

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              • #8
                Scott "The Ski" may fit the bill.
                http://www.scott-sports.com/global/e...a-version-185/

                Maybe something from Icelantic's new SKNY series?
                http://www.icelanticskis.com/ski_det...&productID=145

                I just mounted a new pair of these (Scott Reverse) for firm conditions, but they are likely narrower than what your are looking for:
                http://www.scott-sports.com/global/e...a-version-156/

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                • #9
                  I bought Mr. Toad's S3s on the turnaround, we'll see how the "demo" goes.

                  Thanks all for the suggestions.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Danno View Post


                    Fair enough. What I mean is that I don't have a dedicated "soft snow ski" and need this ski to be my "hard snow ski"; I need this ski to function as if it was a quiver of one, because I will use it in all conditions.
                    BD Havocs are 88 underfoot, full camber, light enough, stiff however (I've got the 2nd to last version blue yellow). The last version (red color) I've heard have a softer flex, and I've seen them at clearance prices around $200. The tips on mine will "auger in" if you weight the inside ski too far forward in soft snow. (For a "quiver of 1" I would rather ski a hard snow ski in powder than vice versa, and this ski fits that bill.) The BD Aspect might be a good choice, I think Dostie likes his based on the review he did.

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                    • #11
                      I will be curious what you think of these. Like most twin tips with a more center mount they are very easy to ski and fun in most soft snow especially soft bumps. I also think they would make a pretty good spring couloir ski. I think they would be real fun and quick in the trees at WP/MJ

                      They are not nearly as good of a carver on hard snow as a lot the of the European skis like Blizzard or the Rossi Experience line but then those ski tend to suffer in the bumps and trees.
                      Last edited by James; 24 October 2013, 04:14 PM.

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                      • #12
                        yep, that's what I figured, but I don't know yet which side will "win". First time on a ski like this (my Folsom's have a little bit of tip rocker, and that's the only non-traditional ski I've ever been on), so I'm curious too.

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                        • #13
                          Danno stop being such a wuss. You said you used to be a hard charger and I've decided to believe you. So buy the burly stick and get your ass kicked until you've worked your way back up to it. Don't just settle for the wheelchair ski because you've let life catch up with you. You ain't that old - Get some!

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                          • #14
                            He's right, Danno. You should buy my Viciks with three different mounts and a 24 inch core shot for $500.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by freeheelwilly View Post
                              Danno stop being such a wuss. You said you used to be a hard charger and I've decided to believe you. So buy the burly stick and get your ass kicked until you've worked your way back up to it. Don't just settle for the wheelchair ski because you've let life catch up with you. You ain't that old - Get some!


                              I was a hard charger in my own mind, so there's that. However, I actually think the "burly stick" and suck it up method isn't just not as fun, but isn't the best way to get back to being a hard charger. The wheelchair ski (which hardly seems like a fair attribution to the S3) not only will make things more fun, but actually will help me progress back to being the hard charger worthy of cesare's misery sticks.

                              However, my aversion (or willingness) to working out in a gym during the week is a far more important component of getting back to being a hard charger than what boards are strapped to my feet. God I effing hate the gym.

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