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    Discuss.........
    “Taking away someone’s opinion is no different than sewing a man’s butthole shut.”

  • #2
    WHOA! I had never heard of this before. I've been using Google Translate to read deeper into some Russian web sites. While avalanche seems most convenient, I'm skeptical of the easy answer this time. For one thing, every member of this group was a certifiable badass in the mountains. They look incredibly fit, happy, and relaxed heading out for a two week backpacking trip in -30 degree C weather. That doesn't mean they couldn't have screwed up and made camp right at the foot of an avalanche path. But the terrain appears to be pretty flat in all the pictures and in Google Earth. There might have been a place on that slope where you could get something to slip a little, but not to run very far. I read reports that some mountaineers have seen avalanches in the area over the years, but the slopes do not appear to hit 30 degrees around and above the tent site. Plus, there was no evidence of an avalanche suggested by any of the pictures. Are we to believe that the footprints of the fleeing group would be visible in the snow but no avalanche debris at all? The only tree with broken branches was the cedar the victims in the woods scavenged to build a platform in the snow.

    Karman Vortex could have caused a mass hysteria, but I would guess that a group this experienced and educated as civil engineers would not all freak out at the same time, unless... the subsonic vibrations made them feel that something was happening right under their tent, prompting them to flee. Other people subjected to infrasound report physical discomfort but mass panic is not observed. I think it is more likely than avalanche, but not by much.

    Extraterrestrials? Who knows?

    Conspiracy theories surrounding two group members who were not students in the Civil Engineering department at Urals University, yeah, they both worked at a top secret weapons plant. They were the ones whose clothing was irradiated. That would be surprising unless they went to work in their winter mountaineering clothing... in the Urals, one might just do that. One might think the irradiated clothing to be a red herring. But there is something I read about one of them having had a large amount of radioactive material found in his home . Then there's the secret KGB weapons research theory-something about fireballs, which were seen in the night sky by another ski touring group some 50 km to the south, and which one of the members seems to have captured with the last picture on his camera taken from a tripod set up as they were fleeing the tent. It's all pretty confusing, despite the machine translation working pretty well with Russian to English.

    http://murders.ru/Dyatloff_group_1_v2_glava_17.html

    I'm probably going to read all the stuff I can find on the Russian sites and then decide if indeed the KGB secret weapons theory makes the most sense.
    Last edited by cesare; 1 September 2014, 10:07 AM.

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    • #3
      Dynafit bindings?

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      • #4
        Applying Occam's razor,
        "that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Other, more complicated solutions may ultimately prove correct, but—in the absence of certainty—the fewer assumptions that are made, the better."

        Fire in the tent? Tent was cut open with a knife, from the inside, so everyone fled from the tent without shoes or boots/skis. But if they were fleeing an assailant would they have all gone in the same direction? I think they would have scattered.

        Group built a fire under a tree lower down, broke off branches. Last two of the group, stongest skiers were given the best clothing, set up a camp, to stay warm, but got buried in a freak avalanche; explaining chest injuries, etc.
        Who knows? As for the irradiated clothing, two of them worked in a weapons lab.
        You could watch this conspiracy stuff all day on YouTube..
        Last edited by chamonix; 1 September 2014, 10:44 AM.

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        • #5
          Not much avalanche terrain.

          https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kh...cadad?hl=en-US

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          • #6
            Pretty interesting stuff in that video, although I wish the music was more dramatic...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Edgewood View Post
              Dynafit bindings?
              Gosh. Isn't it mysterious enough already?

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              • #8
                I had trouble watching it because the soundtrack is so scary......

                applying Occam's Razor, I see no reason to question the conclusions others have reached...secret weapons test.

                why they fled the tent seems a bit mysterious but they must have been shttng in their pants...possibly they first fled to the ravine to dig a snow cave..that would be the way to get greatest protection from radiation, and then later those who were still living returned to the camp under the cedar

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                • #9
                  I read this book about Dyalatov......author concluded that the group freaked out due to a wave of infrasound caused by strange wind patterns in the area. This was a good book, but the conclusions seemed a little strange. What I found most enjoyable was the insights into cold war soviet culture.....

                  http://deadmountainbook.com/

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                  • #10
                    if Putin wants to pay me a few hundred thou, I'll write a book about it, too, with whatever conclusion he wants. I could easily come to the conclusion they ate some spoiled rye with lysergic acid in it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Baaahb View Post
                      I could easily come to the conclusion they ate some spoiled rye with lysergic acid in it.
                      Or from "naturally-occurring" polonium.

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                      • #12
                        Russian Yeti

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                        • #13
                          My 11 yo mentioned Dyatlov last week. Perhaps I should pay more attention to what he is surfing...
                          "Nobody ever got my name right." - Me

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                          • #14
                            He's bird-dogging you.

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                            • #15
                              I've got a new theory. They were all in the tent, trying to apply new screen protectors to their smart phones. After getting the various "protective layers" messed up, with all sorts of bubbles, and finding out the last "peel-off" protective layer pulled the whole thing off the screen, they ran screaming from the tent!

                              After that, I don't know what happened.
                              Needless to mention, I just wasted about an hour (and three screen protectors) trying to get just one to look ok on my smart phone, without trapped dust particles and huge bubbles. Totally hopeless
                              Last edited by chamonix; 15 September 2014, 09:34 PM.

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