Voile TTS Transit

[xmatt]

The assembly comes loose when i flip the ski to put skins on. The hooks are unlikely to come loose when skinning, but I lock um. There is a size or two of flexibility.

Assuming it is the same as Moonlight, I think the hooks are very very unlikely to come loose when skinning. I've never had it happen, even without tucking the heel under anything. And the hooks only come loose if they are tilted to about 90 degrees off the ski, and the boot is in the way to stop that in normal skinning. The Moonlights do indeed come loose when flipping the ski, but I've been able to figure out how to hold the ski to stop that, either holding it not quite vertical or holding the ski with my hand around the assembly.

[WoW]

So, that answers that. Thought about leaving the heel loose for the up but...

7tm Power Tour?

Yup, a release mech in need of a binding. Make it a wire toe bail and it's an any boot binding.

[iBjorn]

Is the Transit just a rebranded Moonlight TTS?

https://www.backcountrytalk.com/forum/bc-talk/swap-meet/122006-moonlight-tts-last-gen

[xmatt]

Is the Transit just a rebranded Moonlight TTS?

https://www.backcountrytalk.com/foru...t-tts-last-gen

Woah. Though Voile says it has a new heel lever, at least. I have the older Moonlight from a few years ago, and that had the regular Voile heel throw on it. And it looks like the heel pad on the Transit is different: the heel pad on that Moonlight (both the one I own and the "last gen") have heel locator tabs and have just one riser, and the back of the heel pad is rounded in a way that you can't snap the heel throw under it when skinning (you can just rest the heel throw but it doesn't snap in), while the Voile pad looks to have no locator tabs, two risers, and looks like you can snap the heel in place under the heel pad.

So, maybe the Voile is a slightly refined Moonlight?

[jtb]

The cover looks different. I remember Voile not being able to sell the LT Red springs directly because they were made under license to Moonlight. My guess: the parts are Voile's own design, but taking inspiration from what Moonlight did well (common mounting pattern, standard tech toe, wire hook mechanism).

[bobbytooslow]

Folks who have skied the Moonlight and/or Transit: Is losing the heel cable a concern when you crash in deep snow? Has it happened to you?

[xmatt]

Folks who have skied the Moonlight and/or Transit: Is losing the heel cable a concern when you crash in deep snow? Has it happened to you?

I've skied Moonlight in deep snow. I'm sure I've crashed sometime in deep snow on that binding, but not recalling it right now.

Anyway, it's not a concern for me. As long as my boot is still in the binding, it's hard for me to imagine the heel cable coming out. Maybe on a release it could happen, but I'm not very concerned. Usually, for example, if the heel comes out of the slots by accident (for example, while if I get careless while carrying the skis with the heel not tucked under anything), it comes out only one side first and hangs there. So, it seems to me that it would take the boot releasing from the binding, and then some bad luck to have even one side come out. I've skinned in deep snow with the heel not tucked under anything and it just stays there.

[zonca]

I'm sure the spring assembly could detach if the boot wasn't there to stop it from pivoting to the notch. It's a bit finicky with Moonlight so sort of a low probability high risk situation. My setups clamp under the heel riser ledge and the climbing wire goes over them as soon as I take a ski off as I have dropped (not lost) one in parking lot and another time racking my skis. Since I have both red and grey springs with hooks I sometimes carry a spare off piste

[xmatt]

Maybe this belongs in another thread, but I don't think accelerated wear with TTS is purely about spring travel. I skied my Meidjos just as hard, for more days, mostly with TXP's, and didn't bend things nearly as much. And Meidjo has less travel than Voile LT springs in a neutral position.

My theory is that repeated contact between the boot and wires/spring cartridges in deep turns (not necessarily bottomed out) initiates bending, and once things are bent, the springs don't travel as smoothly, which causes more bending. Bent hardwire rods put lateral pressure on the inner spring tubes, which causes them to bend, then they don't compress smoothly, which causes the heel wire to bend. I've observed my spring cartridges getting stuck in various positions of compression after a hard run.

I'm trying something with regard to this. I just cut off one of the lugs on the sole of my F1s. On the outside of the foot, the rearmost of the lugs (on the front part of the boot, of course) will contact the rod if I am flexing the bellows with the heel raised enough. Doesn't happen if the bellows are not flexed. So, I just cut that lug off. Don't notice any difference walking and I think I gained a little more travel in how close my knee gets to the ski. Anyone else tried that? I guess if you added a bolt-on duckbutt, you probably did this as part of the installation.

(incidentally, I'm on a project now to get my F1s working better. My F3, TX, F1 Race all ski great in TTS. But I was not quite happy with how my F1 is setup, just looking a bit weird skiing it compared to how I ski otherwise. Well, I just tried moving pivot back to middle slot on Moonlight (I think I didn't realize before how the F1 bellows is stiffer than the F1 Race bellows, so I think this may be needed to flex them), lowered preload a bit, added a thin footbed to improve fit, and cut the lug off. Anyway, feeling a lot better about how they ski. Actually they even feel more like old 75mm than my Meidjo does now!! Like HH#1 or something!! But it's still not yet dialed.....need a little more tweaking to go faster in them, might actually want a little more tension in them now)

[Dostie]

Folks who have skied the Moonlight and/or Transit: Is losing the heel cable a concern when you crash in deep snow? Has it happened to you?

Me thinks more is made of this possibility than should be. It happened to me on the beta version with a pair of F1s that had the walk mode lever which prevented the heel lever from latching on past the cam point. When I dropped semi deep, it popped off. When it popped off, it must've rocked back and forth and while in the forth position, was aligned so the hooks could (and did) come out. It all felt instantaneous, but actually took up to, maybe, 200 milliseconds?

The current version of the Transit has slots for the hooks to slip through that are angled more forward, and recessed inside the outer edge of the cable block so they are less likely to come out. They still come out remarkable easy when dangling from the ski when carrying, so it is prudent to latch the heel lever under the climbing wire. But they only come out when rotated forward about 15 degrees from perpendicular. As zonca mentioned, they can come out unexpectedly easy when not latched to a boot or under restraint by a climbing wire.

PS: Got out on the Transit a few days ago under the lifts. The new heel levers definitely improve the over-center camming moment. Because I was lazy the tension on the cable was light. If it were possible for the cables to flop off due to weak pretension they would have come off. They didn't.

[muffin]

xmatt I've thought about cutting off that lug on my boots. I usually ski with my feet very close together, so I like to have the rods bent straight so they go slightly under the sole of the boot, instead of out and around the sole. I'm going to try to fit LT springs with my size 25 boots, but I'm not sure there will be enough clearance even with the lug cut off. I think I'll just need to get over it and bend the rods out and around the boot sole some. I'm debating just using the short springs, travel seems adequate now that I shimmed my toe 6mm and moved the pivot forward. Can even drag knee on groomers if the conditions are right. Haven't blown anything up ever, even when the springs bottom out, but I'm only 150lbs and not using a lightweight ski and mostly just skiing groomers.

I feel you about getting the tension right to match the boot. Shimming my toepiece 6mm and moving the pivot forward made the flex way more linear and my F1 boot no longer feels overpowered at the top end of the spring travel. I think it'd be cool to have a pivot block that can be micro-adjusted via a worm-screw, but Im going to just copy the design bobbytooslow showed here: https://www.backcountrytalk.com/foru...ted-tts-plates It allows for 4.5mm adjustment, and requires reusing holes. Planning to simply run a strip of delrin through a router-table to cut the slots.