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  • Giving It up, Or

    Not. Beta, one thing that is very obvious to me is that there is some very high quality TR's and pics showing up already. So, a high bar is being set and potential for some great stuff to come out especially when the snow season starts. Well, maybe the bar height isn't important just the participation is. It is not easy to put together a TR with pics, thought, staging, time et et. Along with all of this is the question, How much if any beta is appropriate to give up reguarding the location, route and info re the TR? Personally, I have had my a** chewed for giving up beta on forums as I like to share. What are your thoughts? Or, maybe we need a code for places.........
    "Just say no to groomed snow"

  • #2
    I don't worry about it unless there are legal issues or something along those lines.


    • #3
      No issues where I ski. I've been giving up the Beta for over a decade - still nobody 'poaches' my terrain.
      I always laugh when the subject of post holing in the skin track comes up.

      Had a coyote post hole one of my skin tracks once.

      The largest post holing creature in my neck of the woods is the bear.
      Seen lots of tracks, but have yet to meet a bear out there.
      I carry bear spray just in case.*
      The tracks are always crossing the ridge, traveling from one valley to the next.
      Picture taken on the M4 on the way to Anthony Peak

      All that fur dragging in the snow!

      *still trying to find that one story...
      Coastal Crest Snow Patrol


      • #4
        *Found it
        While camping at Diamond Peak, there was an incident.
        No alcohol was involved...

        I was attempting to show how to get the trigger lock off the bear spray.

        When suddenly, the thing went off. RIGHT IN MY EYE!!!
        Took a direct hit in my right eye. I stood there for a second, thinking to myself, "Well, this is going to suck...".
        And it did.
        My left eye was ok -at first, but within 5-7 seconds, the pepper started to work it's magic.
        My right eye was rendered useless almost instantly. I looked around with my left eye, but then, within a few seconds, it too started stinging. REALLY BAD!

        I couldn't see anything. The burning was unbearable.
        While my buddy, snowblasta read the back of the canister, I struggled to find my way back to the Jeep.
        "WHERE'S THE WATER?!!!"
        "HURRY UP!"

        The directions on the can of pepper spray says to flush the eyes with running water for 20-30 minutes.
        So snowblasta holds a jug of water up while I stand there waiting for the pain to go away. The pain only increased.
        I was afraid snowblasta would get tired and leave me for even a second without water.
        I couldn't see sh$t.
        So I had him set the jug of water on the back bumper while I lay on the snow and let the water run over my eyes. I'm starting to get frantic. I knew that being almost an hour drive from Oakridge - that a 911 call would be useless. And we both knew that the pepper spray was non-lethal and would dissipate soon.
        But the pain was incredible! I demanded that snowblasta call 911 to see if there was anything we were forgetting - as far as a remedy was concerned.
        Both 911 and Poison Control sounded apologetic and condescending. At that point, we knew that it was only a matter of time before the pain would subside.
        While on the phone with them,

        -I should point out, that a 911 call worked on the cell phone without any reception-

        they mentioned the possibility of hypothermia. Snowblasta had mentioned to them that we were out in the middle of nowhere, camping. They didn't understand that we had a heat source available. But sure enough, within 10 minutes of lying on the snow with water running all over my face, hands, down jacket, base layers, etc., I started to shiver.
        I had snowblasta get my sleeping pad from my tent. Then a blanket from the Jeep. We had a ton of hand warmers. I stuffed them down my shirt. But the shivers and the hypothermia got worse. I couldn't control the shaking.
        Time to get in the Jeep.
        I could only leave the running water for about 10 seconds before the pain became unbearable. I ran to the driver side and hopped in. Started the engine and turned the heater on full blast.
        Snowblasta held the jug of water above me. We had turned the spigot to only a drizzle to conserve water. I was having panic attacks of how I would survive without the running water.
        But I knew that my buddy would not be able to hold the water still enough. My whole face was numb, so when the stream of water would leave my eye, I couldn't tell where it went.
        So I told him to bungee the damn thing to the roof rack.
        This worked perfect!

        With the heater cranking and the jug of water successfully tied above me, I still had trouble. My neck began to hurt. I couldn't maintain keeping my eye under the stream of water.
        I figured out real quick, that my right eye - the one that got the direct hit - needed the most water. The left eye was not too bad, so I was directing the stream of water into my right eye and letting it flow over the rim of my nose and into my left eye. This was beginning to become difficult. Especially with my whole face being numb and all. My neck was starting to cramp up from having to hold my head out the door in that certain position. Snowblasta came out and was able to help me maintain that certain position of my head to allow the water to flow over my eyes at the exact angle I needed to get relief.

        After a while, I started to get warm. The Jeep's heater was working well. Then a bit later, after a few attempts, I was able remove myself from the stream of water and the pain was gone.

        I scrubbed my face with tons of handi-wipes. The stinging was still there, on my face. About an hour after the incident, we were laughing our a$$es off about it.

        The Jeep still smells of bear spray...
        Coastal Crest Snow Patrol


        • #5
          Terrible/Great story!


          • #6
            In loving memory of you-know-who, here's a big can of...
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            • #7
              I'm coming to poach all of your best haunts, now that I know where you ski. You're done for!


              • #8
                jibmaster FTW! What he wins I'm not sure, but that post surely is full of WIN!


                • #9
                  I have gone back and forth in my opinion about giving out route information.

                  Previously, I thought it didn't matter how much info was given out, because most people are too lazy to hike for turns in powder, when they can ride the lifts and ski courduroy... believe it or not...

                  ... But I've been shown some routes that were not that far off the beaten trail that were easy to access and still not that well known. I get fresh tracks there for days if the snow stays good after a storm. I don't hide where I am going, but I am not volunteering that kind of route information either.

                  IF other people give out that location by taking their friends there, I think that is ok. If they post the route map in a blog or a trip report, I would be less happy about that,... but I can only control my own behavior... and no one elses.

                  I don't care if someone posts routes that are well known and longer distance trips. I think more demanding routes have their own way of weeding out high amounts of traffic.
                  the fall line is your friend.... resistance is futile


                  • #10
                    awesome jib!

                    do you figure those are non-hibernating bears living in the lower elevations? or transition season?

                    as far as QZ's question, I think it's mostly an eastern issue, due to the greater difficulty back east of finding steeper terrain that is open-enough to ski, and thus open glades can be secret stashes. out west, I don't think there are significant runs that aren't apparent to anyone able to read a map and "secret" stashed aren't really secret; they just aren't popular, and I doubt that posting them on a website is going to make much difference.


                    • #11
                      Looking back…

                      My earliest internet posts were awkward, self-indulgent trip reports of obscure yet interesting (in my mind) backcountry ski destinations on now dead or dying websites.

                      In recent years I have made every effort to maintian that standard despite the demands of a family and a drinking problem.

                      Now, entering the golden years of my backcountry ski career I often wonder…

                      Do my secret stashes actually suck? Has it all been a terrible waste? Why did I sell the helicopter?


                      • #12
                        The bears in the Mendocino National Forest do not hibernate. The climate is too warm.
                        During cold snaps, they'll take a nap for a few days, but they are pretty much out and about all winter.
                        The rivers are full of fish. They will travel over the high passes and ridges traveling to different river drainages.
                        No food up in the high country with all the deep snow, but the rivers are low enough to not have snow.
                        I see their tracks almost every time I ski up there.
                        Sometimes there are fresh tracks on the way down that weren't there on the way up...
                        Some of the tracks are HUGE.
                        Came back to the Jeep one time at Hull and found bear and cat tracks in the snow all around the Jeep.

                        Bear tracks at South Yolla Bolly June 8, 2011

                        Hull Mt. April 6, 2010

                        Hull Mt. Jan 18, 2008

                        Sorry for the thread drift.
                        Coastal Crest Snow Patrol


                        • #13
                          Not a thread drift, kinda nice to know that there are bears around there so good beta. Unless you want to keep it secret . As far as bears my ski bud Ed and I were skiing down toward Incline Village from the meadows two years ago and ran into a bear and only about 10 yards away. It was mid winter and deep snow and it was just meandering up the gulley we we skiing down. It just passed us as we stopped and watched, ignoring us and went its way.

                          Not sure I agree with Baaahb, with low snow seasons like we have had recently around here, skiers are looking for beta on where to go. Tahoe doesn't really have that many trailheads. So, show some pics of powder skiing at a place like Waterhouse the same day will probably bring more skiers there the next day if pickings are slim other places. I know I go to some of the local threads on BC skiing Tahoe day before I plan a tour especially if it is a drive.
                          Last edited by Quadzilla; 21 September 2013, 03:42 PM.
                          "Just say no to groomed snow"


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Grant View Post
                            I'm coming to poach all of your best haunts, now that I know where you ski. You're done for!
                            I dare you - I double-dog dare you.
                            Actually, I double-bear dare you!

                            Really, I wish someone would. I could use the eyes-on-the-ground beta from folks skiing up there on the weekends
                            while I work. That way I'd have the beta for my midweek jibbing.
                            All the info is there for you:
                            Lots of photos and directions for accessing the goods in northern California's coast range, the Mendocino National Forest.

                            Hull Mt.

                            Anthony Peak

                            South Yolla Bolly

                            Mendocino Pass

                            Snow Mt.

                            I've skied as early as Halloween before.
                            And as late as July.
                            I hope this rain is an indication of an early winter!
                            Last edited by jibmaster; 21 September 2013, 04:23 PM. Reason: More Beta
                            Coastal Crest Snow Patrol


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jibmaster View Post
                              I dare you - I double-dog dare you.
                              Actually, I double-bear dare you!
                              He probably doesn't have enough air miles.