new scarpa boot guess

[dschane]

Smoke that.

That pebax gave me a headache last time. I thought those T2 puke green fibers were recycled hemp seeds.

[Dostie]

"Next winter or the winter following"

Same net effect as tomorrow. Tomorrow never comes.

Worth noting. The program to develop a new boot line (not merely a boot) is at least five years old. Samples have been seeded since 2019, maybe even late 2018.

Smoke that.

[jnicol]

"Next winter or the winter following"

Sounds promising. (sarcasm)

[mc_dubV]

eco friendly just means pebex renew, which they are using in many of their boots including the T2eco.

[dschane]

I agree the comments seem believable, but at the same time, I'm curious what "doesn't work with a toe cage" actually means.

I was thinking the same thing -- the Tx, Tx Pro, and Tx Comp all work with a cage, and two of those also work with tech toe bindings.

Eco-friendly? Probably relative to something else, but I suspect that it's really about letting the user think we're sensitive to the environment when we make our plastics.

And reddit? People actually use that to share meaningful information? Cool.

Overall, great news and thanks for sharing.

[xmatt]

Also, there had been screenshots floating around with someone from Scarpa saying that a new -- eco-friendly! -- tele boot would launch in September (it didn't). Here's an update:

"Next winter" = show it Jan 2023, sell it Sept 2023, or launch Jan 2024, sell it sept 2024?

Hey Scarpa, you are probably paying too much attention to your elite athlete pro skiers! Since most of the people that buy boots aren't at that level, you need testing by the masses. You probably also aren't testing enough in variable snow conditions! If you'd like some testing in PNW snow by a good but non-pro tele skier, I might be willing to help you out. Since my touring partners are used to me bringing out 15 year old bellowed Scarpa AT boots, I think I can easily keep a secret....I'll just tell them your new boot is actually 10 year-old new-old-stock and none of them will know otherwise!

[bobbytooslow]

Also, there had been screenshots floating around with someone from Scarpa saying that a new -- eco-friendly! -- tele boot would launch in September (it didn't). Here's an update:

[bobbytooslow]

I agree the comments seem believable, but at the same time, I'm curious what "doesn't work with a toe cage" actually means.

Does the toe lug not physically fit into the cage on an Outlaw/Freeride? Like, did something we're not thinking of necessitate that they design it this way? The F1/F3 toe lug doesn't fit into a toe cage either -- duh, it's an alpine boot -- so, likewise, did they truly just stick a bellows & duckbutt on a Maestrale mold without modifying the AT toe lug? Or maybe did they remove the toe lug entirely to save weight (like the Dynafit Speednose)?

Or is it more about performance? Like, it'll fit, but the boot's flex profile is built around a free-pivoting toe, so when it's clamped down in a toe cage, it's too flexible. Perhaps they've gone back to the drawingboard to make it more of a happy medium?

(This again shows the genius of Pierre's pivoting toe cage binding that would enable all boots to have the same generous flex profile but would come in a simpler, more durable package.)

[xmatt]

Seen elsewhere on the internet:

I don't trust that corner of the internet too much, but I find this believable. There was another comment a few months ago on that same corner of the internet from someone who claimed to have spoken with Scarpa athletes who had skied the boot, and who said it was ready to go but Scarpa had a problem that it would not work with a toe cage. I also found that comment believable since I have commented before that I think the toe cage makes it harder to make a good boot: toe cage NTN is the only telemark interface that can force such a tight bend in the front of the boot, as with 75mm the duckbill can take up some of the flex. This more recent comment is good news IMO, as I have said that I think Scarpa should ditch the toe cage for touring tele. Anyway, I think whatever Scarpa says will become the norm as they are the dominant manufacturer, but it is good that they are working with binding makers. Maybe they'll bevel the duckbutt too.... And maybe they will make it work for a wide range of foot sizes (having 27 MP feet makes things easy for me!)

[Grant]

The issue is that the boot is not meant to work with a toe cage style binding(outlaw or freeride). Scarpa Europe has been working to standardize a new NTN tech norm which is partially responsible for the hold up...

...the standardization of the norm was a significant factor in holding up the launch of the boot. I dont know any specifics of what issues were giving them trouble."

This great news and taxing news all at the same time.

[mc_dubV]

The issue is that the boot is not meant to work with a toe cage style binding(outlaw or freeride). Scarpa Europe has been working to standardize a new NTN tech norm which is partially responsible for the hold up...

...the standardization of the norm was a significant factor in holding up the launch of the boot. I dont know any specifics of what issues were giving them trouble."

I wonder if Crispi is also trying to workout a boot that's part of the new standard?

[bobbytooslow]

Seen elsewhere on the internet:

"I can confirm that they (Scarpa) are actively developing a lighter weight touring boot for tele. I have held a prototype in my hand. And this prototype was not a 'rough' version. It was beautiful and very closely resembled a scarpa maestrale with bellows and a duckbutt. I wasn't able to ski in the boot but it does exist and I'm sure further iterations will be being tested this winter

The issue is that the boot is not meant to work with a toe cage style binding(outlaw or freeride). Scarpa Europe has been working to standardize a new NTN tech norm which is partially responsible for the hold up...

...the standardization of the norm was a significant factor in holding up the launch of the boot. I dont know any specifics of what issues were giving them trouble."

[-E-]

And how come out of the 70's, 80's and early 90's Trio of Granola Sports (kayaking, climbing, and telemarking), only telemarking is still a patchouli skank granola sport? That alone makes me want to switch to locked heels. Hell, the others are all in the olympics.

Competitive kayaking and climbing have no soul. Lock your heels and you will lose yours.

[TeleArrow]

Part of me wonders if there's somebody over at Rotafella thinking up an TTS-like system that combines the Xplore toe with NTN duckbutt.

It would probably not be ideal because we already have a solution with tech toes.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[Grant]

The more depressing comparison for me is to snowboarding. Telemarking had a 100 year head start when snowboarding was born in the '80s. Jake Burton had to hire someone to go ski resort by ski resort to beg them to simply allow snowboarders to be allowed to ride. "Snowboarding is not a crime" was more than a cute bumper sticker. Then it made to the Olympics in '98, Shaun White has been on the cover of Rolling Stone at least twice, a zillion snowboard companies were created and since bought by larger companies. That industry has consolidated and declined a little but if only telemarking had 1/100 of the success of snowboarding...could

If only we had the Shaun or Killian of telemarking, we would have new boots.

If Kasha couldn't get it done, no one will.